How can you lead anti-racist change? Martha has a ton of wisdom to share about how leaders can improve their racial literacy, set ambitions for change and keep going, when the going gets tough. All of this involves leaders asking big, existential questions about what the future holds for them and their organisations.

This wide-ranging discussion includes the extra energy you get from becoming clear on your values; tips on how to be brave; and reasons why progress with anti-racism work in our sector has so far been so hard. Martha also shares a sneak peak at some of the exciting sessions coming up in the next BAME Online Conference.

In this episode Rae and Ash talk to Martha - CEO of JMB Consulting, Curator of BAME Online & Trustee at Complicite. Martha shares her experiences building a platform to tackle institutional racism in the workplace through education. Martha shares best practice on tackling racism and turning intent into action.

Rebecca and Emily chat to Martha Awojobi about launching an anti-racism consultancy and the BAMEOnline conference - and what the sector has achieved in combatting racial discrimination in the past two years.